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to october, everyone. this is "early start." i'm john berman in washington this morning. >> and i'm sir riesirita simon. >>> president barack obama and mitt romney square off wednesday night in denver. both trying to lower expectations practically gushing over one another, but new jersey governor chris christie is going against the grain and setting the bar high for the republican nominee. >>er time mitt romney has been confronted in this campaign with one of these moments, he has come through in a debate and performed extraordinarily well laying out his vision very clearly and also contrasting himself with his vision with hoomp his opponent was at that time. so i have absolute confidence when we get to thursday morning, george, you'll be shaking your head saying it's a brand new race with 33 dap days to go. >> you almost never hear that. doing well in a debate. what on earth was chris christie doing? live from washington in an undisclosed location at the bureau, peter what was chris christie doing there? >> i have no idea, john. do you? this flies in the face of everything the romney c
our nation's capital. i'm john fugelsang filling in today and i'm delighted to be here with you. this is october 1 the birthday of mark mcguire and 88th 88th birthday of former president jimmy carter. it's cold in our nation's capitol but we are very pleads to be talking with you about the issues that matter most. please feel free to call us. >> good morning everyone. both candidates are gearing up for the first presidential debate. president obama will stay in nevada for the next few days to wrap up final preparations. he campaigned in las vegas last night to a group of 11,000 supporters and in an effort to manage his expectations said he's just an okay debater. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. >> you will. >> i don't know about that. president romney is a good debater. >> that is in response to reports that romney is prepping and plans on taking jabs at the president. obama spokeswoman is saying don't expect the president to fire any blows and he looks forward to continuing his conversation with the american people.
to you and your miracle workers john, hal chris and jacki. love you guys. >> and jim? >> stephanie: jim i'm sorry. look at her handwriting it's worst than mine. [ applause ] >> that's how you know she didn't get anyone to write it for her. >> stephanie: she has other thoughts she put in later. >> she edits herself like any good writer does. >> stephanie: like getting a first draft. sign of intelligence life. >> wow. >> stephanie: it was just an amazing night. thank you, seattle. greatest birthday. jilly in seattle and ellie in sausalito met for the first time. they've been chat room and e-mail friends for years. >> back when we had steph's space. >> stephanie: really? okay. >> the final frontier. >> hi, mama. we had such a great time. you were in rare form. my hats off to one of the only women i know with a filthier mouth than mine. my excuse is i'm married to a steelworker. [ applause ] this is only for folks in television land. you have to look at what ellie made me. look at this.
" magazine john heilemann. guys. hi, willie. >> hello. >> it's not as bad as being a red sox fan, but if you're a jets fan right now, holy cow! tebow's like, you know, he's getting ready. >> he should have been ready. i don't know why they kept sanchez in the whole game. 103 yards, less than 50% passing, one interception and frankly wasn't close. it was a strange thing to watch. >> it was absolutely brutal. and then, of course, the yankees, man. that playoff race. >> ooh. >> you remember what i said at the beginning of the year? i said the red sox -- we only want to be ahead of the orioles. we all laughed. it's tied! >> and the red sox have a chance to spoil the yankees' season. so that might be a saving grace, at the end of this miserable year, they have three games in new york, they could ruin the yankees' scene. >> john heilemann, as a fellow red sox fan, you and i would take no pleasure out of the red sox destroying the yankees' season. despite the fact that the yankees -- >> speak for yourself there. >> 7-0. and i just remind any boston red sox that are crawling out of the gutter this m
national correspondent john king is in denver getting ready for the debate over there. that's the site of the debate. john, take us into these numbers. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, wolf, i can tell you this, talking to senior officials in the romney campaign, they believe after a tough week or ten days, the last several days, they have a little bit of a breeze at their back. they say the race has stabilized. you dig into the numbers. what is the most important issue in this first debate? the economy. look at this poll. which candidate would better handle the economy? the president, 49%, governor romney, 48%. a dead heat. the president has to defend his record. governor romney not only needs to attack his record but to convince voters he has a better place to take them if he wins the election. and you know this full well, the reason this debate and what both candidates say in the economy is so important is the friday morning after the wednesday night debate, we'll get the latest unemployment report. if governor romney could turn in a strong debate performance and another tepi
. specifically he made the case then right or wrong that he was a better steward of the economy than john mccain in troubled times. romney's got to make that case in 2012. >> little different when you're running against an incumbent. right? there's not a direct parallel there. >> look at the transcript. he was running against president bush. that these set of economic policies are wrong and i have a compelling vision. whether he can do that is another story. >> your colleague e.j. deion wrote journalists are in search of defining moments and game changers. by this standard, romney needs to game changer. obama can live quite happily without one. so do you think that mitt romney needs to have a big moment or if he is perceived to have won will at least give republicans some momentum. is that really the most reasonable thing to hope for? >> well, certainly it will. if the race were sort of fixed in time right now, everybody assumes that obama would win. in many ways that's happening because of early voting all right. so romney needs to change the trajectory in some way. now, that washington pos
today, emmy darling msnbc political analyst and national affairs editor for "new york" magazine john heilemann, "the huffington post" washington bureau chief ryan grim, author of "the daily show" liz winsted and "rolling stone" executive editor eric baits. welcome to bizarre world. ramping you for the first debate each candidate is showering praise on the opposition in the hopes of lowering the bar for themselves. paul ryan gushed over president obama's skills on the debate stage. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. >> shockingly, senior white house adviser david plouffe had the same feelings about governor mitt romney. >> we'd expect it all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and shown himself to be a good debater through the years. >> even the candidates were tamping down expectations yesterday. >> i don't think anyone would suggest the debates aren't important. i can't tell you how important it will be. i don't kn
for the big debates. john kerry, by the way, will be playing the role of mitt romney. he's someone who has a lot of experience debating but also knows mitt romney very well as he comes from massachusetts. now, the big issue, though, is who will both of these candidates be able to sway in the debate? as we know, most americans have made up their minds. we're talking about a small slice of those undecided voters who are watching, waiting to find out exactly who will win. >> okay. let's talk about the republican side with paul steinhauser. word on the street, paul, is that mitt romney has been practicing zingers since august. >> yeah. that's the word on the street. the romney campaign won't go there, carol. all they're going to say is, guess what? he's spending a lot of time getting ready. you're right. i don't have any sound fm mitt romney like dan had from the president. why? he hasn't done an event in a while. mitt romney, carol, he jumps on a plane today, goes out to colorado. he's got a campaign rally there tonight. but after that basically hunkers down. you mentioned john kerry, of cour
.c. getting ready for wednesday's debate coverage is john berman. hey, john, good morning. >> we're doing debate prep just like the candidates here in washington. start overseas, soledad. the taliban taking responsibility for an attack in eastern afghanistan that killed at least 14 people. civilians, police, and three nato soldiers. officials say the suicide bomber targeted a joint patrol using a motorcycle packed with explosives. this attack comes a day after a firefight left two americans dead, including the 2,000th u.s. military member to be killed in afghanistan. >>> syria's foreign minister takes center stage on the final day of the u.n. general assembly session. he will address the delegates latest this morning and defend the assad regime's handling of the 18-month crisis that has spiraled into a civil war. syria has been a prime focus for world leaders at the united nations over the past week. >>> we are expecting an announcement today in that mystery surrounding the location of jimmy hoffa's remains. investigators are waiting for tests on mud and clay samples from a home in suburb
of the second great debate between richard nixon and john f. kennedy. right before that debate the kennedy brothers arrived to discover something weird had happened. the temperature was meat locker level. so cold they couldn't believe it, and they knew why. kennedy's television adviser went racing to the basement and found nixon's guy standing watch on the thermostat. nixon had sweated in that first debate, and it cost him. this time the nixon people were intent on freezing the room so cold that nixon couldn't sweat at all. well, after a standoff in that basement in our headquarters and some threats to call the police, they agreed to bring the temperature up. well, think this stuff doesn't matter? it all matters. just like everything we do, wear, look like, act like, seem like in our first debates -- actually our first dates when we were growing up, remember? today we look at the serious stuff that will matter, where they stand and they disagree. i'm joined by bob shrum and the great david corn, famous for having unearthed that very important 47% speech by romney he never wanted us to hear
, president bush was leading democratic challenger john kerry by 11 percentage points just fryer to the first presidential debate. right after the debate, which just about everybody thought that kerry had won, president bush was leading by only two points. and you know, it really didn't change a whole lot until the end of the campaign. president bush won by three points. jenna: very interesting. we see senator kerry on the screen. a lot of things we talk about, larry, is turnout when it comes to this election and how important turnout really is going to be. do debates affect turnout? >> absolutely because the turnout battle is really a battle of enthusiasm in the two party bases and, you know the romney people have been pretty frank. paul ryan was very frank over the weekend in saying the ticket has had a tough couple weeks. when you have a tough couple weeks you're enthusiasm level can decline. a good performance in a presidential debate can gin party enthusiasm. that may happen on wednesday for either side. we'll have to see what transpires in the debate. jenna: we always have to wait to ac
you not vote for, john cornyn. if the republicans gain control of the senate -- you have said twice, on two occasions, he would not guarantee you would support john cornyn. that is because your money comes from jim demint. if you are interested texas, how could do not support our senior senator majority leader in the abandoned the majority party if the republican party? you'll not commit to him. >> mr. cruz? >> if mr. sadler suggests that as a criteria voters should use, who will stand more closely with john cornyn, that is not a complicated question. john is enthusiastically supporting me with in this campaign. he is campaigning on the road with me. >> the question is whether you would support him. >> we will try one more time. >> would you vote for john cornyn as majority leader of the set? >> he is not running for majority leader. >> would you vote for him? >> i know you are believing you are cross-examining a witness to to just answer my question. yes or no. >> i know you are leaving -- yes or no. >> let me know when you are done. >> give me a response, what ever it is, and then
'm martha maccallum. the romney campaign is joining this growing chorus of lawmakers. senator john mccain saying the administration's response was inept and ignorant and susan rice blaming it on a spontaneous protest was inexcusable. >> it's either willful ignorance or abysmal ignorance to think people come to spontaneous demonstrations with mortars and heavy weapons pant attack goes on for hours. bill: both sides are complaining. governor romney's team says the white house is still getting its story mixed up. >> reporter: democrats say republicans are politicizing the tragic attack that cost of life of four americans. the republicans say the white house is cover ugging up the details for political reasons. here is axlerod. >> the president called it an act of terror the day after it happened. but when you are the responsible party, when you are the administration and you have a responsibility to act on what you know and what the intelligence community believed. >> reporter: actually it was several days after the benghazi attack before the white house called it terrorism and that came aft
john king joining us from denver, the site of the debate tomorrow night. john, you've taken a close look at these numbers. are there any nuggets in there that may be good for the romney campaign? because 70% of latinos saying they're likely to vote for the president of the united states, that's pretty bad for romney. >> reporter: wolf, i've scrubbed the numbers, looked at the cross tops and in a word, no, there is nothing encouraging for the romney campaign in the poll of likely latino voters. one way you judge an incumbent president, president obama, you ask people what do you think of job performance? all americans are split on that question. do they approve or disapprove of the president's job performance, but among latinos, nearly 7 in 10, 68% say they approve of the president's job performance. look across looking in here to find some nugget of hope for governor romney as latinos describe themselves as moderates, 76%. conservative latino voters, you would think that would be governor romney's base, 55% majority of conservative latinos plan to vote for the democratic president o
some time on their hand. abc's john schifrin, you spoke with them as well. >> i did. >> reporter: on three, let's go refs. this nfl sunday men in stripes got the unusual superstar treatment from the fans. excited to se ed td to see thei referees back in action. >> the game's final play. >> reporter: in monday night's game, between packers and seahawks the jump ball appears to be grabbed by green bay. >> who do they give it to? touchdown. >> reporter: the replacement refs gave the call and the win to seattle. sparking national outrage and ridicu ridicule. the nfl received 70,000 phone complaints. even "saturday night live" couldn't resist. >> time of death 2:15. >> no, i am not dead. also it is 4. 30. . [ whistle ] >> one man who wasn't laughing, replacement referee mike peak. he was on the field working that game. >> to see the game fall apart at the end. really one of the thing that would make you want to go in the back room and cry a few tears. >> reporter: though he didn't make the call, the community college teacher from texas with 13 years of division i college revving exper
, this is "world news now." >>> it's all good this monday morning. i'm paula faris. >> i'm john muller. rob nelson has the morning off. and we'll have the latest as the candidates prepare to go head to head this week. but first a look at some of the stories we're following this half hour. >> lindsay lohan's latest. what would monday morning be without a brush with the law for lilo, only this time she says she's the victim of the crime and not the perch traitor. >> this is an interesting one. you're going to enjoy it. >>> plus, don't go in the water. there's a new threat at some of the nation's lakes, not as harmless as it might look. >> that was a foul story. i'll have to admit. don't want to go anywhere near the water. and can be deadly as well. >> what was up with that water. >>> in power and offline. how some well known and powerful people don't use e-mail. could you survive without e-mail? >> no. i can't imagine how you would do it. are they using snail mail and making phone calls? >> i could go without it. i would just text everybody. my e-mails are short and to the point anyway. >> i am all
on one in the 2008 democratic primary, then three debates against john mccain. it's a different dynamic than to be the frontrunner where four or five people are aiming at you throughout a debate. >> here we are on the eve practically of the first debate and it's supposed to be an economic, domestic policy. >> right. >> and now foreign policy has reared its head. we have first of all mitt romney and "the wall street journal" an op-ed, saying that these developments are not as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk, yet amid this upheaval our country seems to be at the mercy of events rather than shaping them, not moving them in a direction that protects our people or allies. and paul ryan just now on the laura engram radio show, saying this about afghanistan. >> that echos also what john mccain said on "morning joe" today. are they trying to change the skubts to get off -- subject to get off 47% and other missteps and perceived problems in their camp or see a real vulnerability here after benghazi in the way that the white house
john elway. it was the only scheduled talk. it was a stealth bomber in the background there. romney tried to tamp down expectations in the back. >> people want to know who is going to win? who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? in my view, it's not so much winning or losing or even the people themselves. it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for america that we would choose. >> playing off the enthusiastic crowd. romney had lines for the base. may even tested out a few zingers we might hear wednesday night. >> this is a home to focus on the family which is committed to preserving the foundation of america. we have to get the pipe laine from canada if i have to build it myself. >> it will kill america's entrepreneurship. >> that's the first time, by the way, romney talked about card check on the stump since the primaries. others call it the employee free choice act. it was a priority four years ago. it never passed because a few democ
that are saying farewell. see what he says about george w. bush and john mccain. this is "the daily rundown." i am chuck todd. let's get to the first reads of the morning. in the last two weeks, we polled in nine battleground states deciding the election. ohio, florida, virginia, colorado, iowa, wisconsin, north carolina, nevada, new hampshire. bad news for mitt romney, he doesn't lead in a single one. at best within the poll's margin of error. at worst, trails by eight points. this morning, how the nine states stack up. we said it again and again. the president's job approval rating may be the best indicator of where the bout may be. where it is more than 50, the president favored to win. iowa, florida, new hampshire, ohio, virginia, his approval rating below that, 47 or 48 in four. colorado, nevada, north carolina, wisconsin. here is a second way to breakdown the numbers. romney struggled with favorability number all year. that number underwater, more voters have unfavorable than favorable view in six states. romney is in positive territory in just three. florida, north carolina, virginia. final
. four years ago there were 15 states that barack obama and john mccain were advertising in. now it's down to nine. you know, so you're getting same amount of advertising dollars squeezed into nine states. almost overearn gaugement with with the battleground states. >> the battleground map has dramatically decreased. we're in fewer states. you're not seeing, for example, the obama campaign talked about maybe we'll go into arizona or texas and georgia. they didn't. the obama campaign had long been looking at pennsylvania and michigan. they didn't. remember, in florida eight years ago we were talking about democrats playing missouri and even west virginia at one point or throwing money down to get the other side to spend money or compete and while republicans were looking at places like washington too. where's new mexico? >> robert, one of the things john cohen head of the polling team said it is fascinating the split between the engagement of young voters in swing states and voters in non-swing states. that's where this is being waged. that's where we need to check with enthusiasm.
. and the person helping the president out, playing the role of mitt romney is senator john kerry. john kerry has been out there on the stage before, a veteran of the debate format and in addition to that he's from massachusetts. and he knows mitt romney well and will be able to help the president fill in any of the blanks he might have. >> dan lothian, thanks very much for that, appreciate it. >> okay. >>> on to the republican side now. mitt romney has been spending his time in boston ifffor the p couple of days doing his prep there. and part of that prep, admittedly is zingers. he's been trying out zingers on his staff since august. let's bring in paul steinhauser. first off, the zinger aspect, sometimes they make history and sometimes they do in debates, but is it a good strategy to think about zingers? or is it something that should happen organically? >> i think what the romney campaign would say, hey, while he's doing that, he's doing other things and preparing in a lot of different ways. i don't think we should take away from this that mitt romney's going to come out and have one zinger af
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on the law until the election is over. our crime and justice correspondent joe johns has been following this one for us. so, joe, what happens? walk me through. come november 6th, if a voter doesn't have a photo i.d., then what? >> well, this is just pennsylvania, first of all, brooke. if you show up without an i.d., you will still be able to vote one way or the other. the question is about provisional ballots and whether those provisional ballots, if they're filled out, end up being counted in the state of pennsylvania. so a little bit complicated. but this is being seen as a victory for opponents of the law in pennsylvania, but only for this election. what the judge, judge robert simpson in pennsylvania said, is that for this election only he's blocking the voter i.d. law in pennsylvania, the reason he's doing that is because there is not enough time between now and november to get protections in place to assure that people won't lose their ability to vote. so the state's cutoff from implementing or enforcing the controversial parts of the i.d. law through november 6th, the general el
the president or nominee be from your home state. >> john and i represent the same constituency, he will be elected to senate, i will be gone before he will. he is my colleague this entire time. larger than life in many respects. that has its plus and minuses, he is playing the national issues, i am doing a lot of things that relate to the state. he is very good when he focuses on a state issue. he can be effective working on a state issue as well. we have been able to divide responsibilities so it worked well for us. for me, it has been very much a plus, even when we have disagreements. quick story, first or second week in the senate, down at the table voting. i find john and i vote differently on an issue, i don't recall what it was. i said john, i sought him out. you voted yes, i was going to vote no, or vice versa, he laughed. he said we're going to vote different all the time. don't worry about it. most of the time we vote alike, of course, but the point was you don't have to do what i do just because i am doing it, and so it gave me the confidence to do what i thought was righ
against john mccain and some others, and doing his level best to get under romney's skin and romney's just about what a tough debater portman is, on a number of cases, it's been portman's responsibility to try to irritate mitt romney or trip him up on the issues and he's played an important role on this and this debate is six segments, 15 minutes long east and the first three are about the economy and the fourth is obama care and health care reform. the fourth is on governoring and the 5th is role of government. all of these things will dominate the discussion, but romney is planning after this coming debate on wednesday, before the policy speech on the week before the vice-president debates, the attempts by the romney ryan campaign, to go beyond the economy and try to do the whole campaign contrast in the last four years. >> an exciting time for all the americans who said now, carl, they'll tune in more, leading up to the debate. thank you, campaign carl, good to see you. moving on now to president obama and his visit in the swing state of nevada tonight. the president arrives in las vega
them back to reality. >> senator john mccain is the only man who has debated both of these individuals. he weighed in on the expectations this morning. take a listen. >> serve and provide us -- >> it's not just that they go bankrupt, he doesn't understand -- >> comments that grabbed everybody's attention. because frankly, the candidates are too well prepared. they're well scripted. >> what you did not hear the beginning there, is the senator said i think you're going to see more viewers, than any debate in history. and then he also said he can't remember the last time that any of these things affected the outcome of a presidential race. save 1960 and 2000, have the debates ever really impacted the outcome of a race, chris kofinis? >> it's funny, i hear the debate about debates not necessarily mattering. and i actually disagree with that i think the 1980, the reagan/carter debate. the debates mattered. they matter in every election, they either reinforce a narrative in the election meaning we think we're going to vote for president obama. president obama does well in that debate and it
will do with mitt romney what, in fact, he did with john mccain which is that as the two of them stand on stage together, the president figures that he's going to look cool, calm and collected and that he can rattle or fluster mitt romney. megyn: well, we saw some moments with mitt romney during the republican primary, and i'm going to jump a little out of order for the control room, but there was one, this one debate in which he actually laid hands on rick perry, and they went back and forth. here's a small clip. >> i don't think i've ever hired an illegal in my life. i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that -- >> i'll tell you what the facts were -- >> rick, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. >> it's time for you -- >> you get 30 seconds. >> the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds -- >> the american people want the truth. megyn: and moments after that he talked about how he denied intentionally hiring illegal immigrants to work on his property saying at the time he told the contractor i'm running for office, for pete's sake, and a lot of the republicans said t
, everybody. i'm paula faris. >> i'm john muller. i threw my scripts in the garbage had to fish them back out. that's strange. >> an indicator of the kind of monday we are having. >> rob nelson is off this morning. we well have debate preparation and predictions coming up. >>> this half-hour, a solemn moment in the longest war, u.s. troop deaths in afghanistan have reached a grim milestone. >> then, eye-popping new numbers about kids and television. you are going to be surprised just how many hours they take in every day, even babies glued to the tube. and you know, i know in our home it's on just as background as well. >> i watched so much tv. so when i see the reports i say, i seem to be doing all right. >> well, you know. >> yeah, may be debatable. later, if it is monday morning must be time to recap nfl sunday action along with how we did with our picks. paula is rocking by the way. just tell you how you guys did as well. >> as my parents say, pride cometh before the fall. i will stay humble. >> i will brag for you. >>> could be a pivotal moment in the presidential campaign. two candidate
's what a monster is. i am a thief and i toll people's lives. >> malvo serving life without parole . john alen mohamed was executed in 2009. >> eric: starting today. medicare can slap helps awe fine if too many patients return. two-thirds of the hospitals could be hit with the fines and averaging $125,000. and critics say the penalties unfairly target teaching helps and porareas. >> steve: hundreds of thousands of illegals will get drivers license. governor jerry brown signing the bill in law . and work permits under president obama's new immigration plan. supporters of the law say that it will make roads safer and let the illegals get to work and school they should not be entitled to licenses and could end up using them for other purposes. like voting. >> gretchen: a dire - deer runs across the street. and the two go tumbling down the road. the skater not hurt too badly. crazy picture. now weather alert. colcalifornia river nearly breaks a record. you are looking at video of a nearby park under water. police are letting residents return back to their homes. they were forced to evacuee. i
of the candidates have experienced. president obama's last debate was against senator john mccain in the fall of 2008. while governor romney has had nearly two dozen debates during that gop primary. the obama campaign says the president's strategy is focused on shorter, crisper answers. the romney strategy, as reported in "the new york times" has the governor memorizing a series of zingers to try to hit the president with. let's bring in our "news nation" political panel for this monday. democratic strategist chris, national radio host michael, and also an msnbc contributor, and villa skype as you can tell from our shot there, steve, conservative radio show host. you have the visual disadvantage because you're skype. i'll let you start off first here. let me play what paul ryan, completely opposite of what chris christie said this sunday. his assessment of the debates. let's play ryan, please. >> i don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign. look, president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> it's no secret, st
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